Initially I inferred that you were hurtfully surprised by the message on the cake, but reading on I infer that a dinner of thanksgiving among Indians and colonists never happened.
I read that they celebrated massacring the Indigenous, not with the Indigenous, from Bioneers.com, where the Indigenous tell there side of the story. The story we have never been told, like with most of history. My daughters knew this before I did.
Everything we have been told is a lie. The Indigenous did not need to be tamed or massacred! They revered Mother Earth and held the wisdom of living in harmony with her. We have all but destroyed Mother Earth and we stole the land they lived on, later killed their babies and children.
Yes, the Thanksgiving dinner happened with the Settlers supplying game birds and the Indians supplying venison. It WAS, in fact, WITH the Indians this event took place.
No, they did not celebrate massacring the Indians; that was in another event mentioned; not THIS one.
No, EVERYTHING we have been told is not a lie.
Abraham Lincoln instituted the first Thanksgiving Day after a woman named Sarah Hale lobbied him personally to do so as it would be a good nation building event but,
NO, it was not to celebrate deaths of Indians.
I have read a NUMBER of books, some first-person accounts from settlers terrorized by the Indigenous as the authors of this website like to call them. MANY settlers were dis-membered, raped, children dismembered and tortured over hundreds of years of interactions with these various tribes. There were very good reasons that history books refer to these Indigenous peoples as SAVAGES. These are simple, hard facts. I have also read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and understand the genocide that happened to the Indian tribes out west. That is also terrible.
I am sorry to say, your daughters were the ones lied to if what you write above is what they gleaned from their school teachers. The facts, in the article you yourself refer to, are not those you state.
Finally, we, the white race, Europeans, conquered this continent in the same way that ALL peoples from early Mesopotamia to Genghis Khan and the entire Islamic world have done for six millennia. War consists of battles, atrocities on both sides, and land acquisition by the dominator. That is a fact and has never changed; certainly not different for the conquest of North America.
Should the entire world go back in time and demand all these cultures hand back their lands, remunerate the original peoples?
Should the settlers have claimed the land as their own when the Indigenous were already inhabiting it and taking great care of the land? Should we just go around displacing people from where they live because we decide we are superior and are able to conquer others we consider inferior to us?
How would you feel if that were done to you? It might happen to all of us if the globalists aren't stopped. Look at what happened in Paradise, Ca. and Maui and what is happening in the Middle East.
The Spaniards did the same thing in Cuba, where I was born and my ancestry is Spanish. They were barbarians and killed off most of the indigenous tribes there to take their land. Conquering is SAVAGE and done to acquire more power and wealth. In other words, due to greed!
We do not need to go back but instead go forward with mindfulness and awareness that we have done great harm to many.
I am done with war and the patriarchy and their need to dominate and conquer. There are other ways to live than these.
I hear what you are saying Miriam and certainly, good people, think this way and act this way. The problem is there will always be bad people; they evolve into even worse than bad as they acquire more power and, finally, there appears no way to terminate this perpetual process. You can say you are done with "this" but . . . this process, this world is not . . . done. So, the question we, as apparently good people, are presented with is HOW shall we co-exist in a world where the bad folks want us dead? Are we to lay down and allow it? No, but, the whole cycle of death and domination will start and end again. THIS is the history of the world.
We can only pray and . . . believe.
Still, I regard the domination and land grab of the Western Hemisphere by Spain, Portugal, and England as nothing more than the outward explosion of populations from the inner core of creation as it pushed around the world. The fact that this area was the "last" to occur and that most available to OUR memories and knowledge is besides the fact that it has been happening for 6 to 10,000 years. The atrocities are the same list of those happening for millennia.
From many different sources I conclude that we are on this earth to suffer so we can FULLY appreciate the infinite love of God and the spirits(souls of humans) who have gone before us. I really believe in life after death. That it is one unencumbered by the body and its limitations -- physical, spiritual, and mental. I do not believe in "mother earth."
I conclude we are here to learn how to love one another and live in harmony, not kill one another. We have been given a paradise with everything we need in Mother Nature to live healthily, vibrantly, in abundance and in harmony with her, and we have all but destroyed her, our sacred home.
Well, my personal view is that this is certainly NOT nor ever was a "paradise" ever since Genesis. We will all find THAT on the other side. This IS still a beautiful world and there are still many untouched areas that remain pristine. Polluted as things have turned in some areas it is good for a human to go out into the more wild parts and experience it while not allowing the intellect to be suffocated by those negative nimrods of pollutionism. The Rocky mountains, the lakes of Northern Minnesota, New York, and Canada, the Caribbean-- too many to enumerate. Have you ever caught a wild salmon, held your breath and dove 20 ft down to a reef with urchins, octopus, reef fish, and sharks, tracked and hunted deer or elk? It will do many good for their soul to experience more primitive areas for days on end(camp in a tent) to prevent the overwhelming belief that this earth is "all but destroyed".
Living in an urban world can be oppressing.
My reason for living in the middle of an 80 acre forest on a river.
Yes, the Pequot massacre happened after they killed 9 colonists and took two girls hostage. Like the ancient Greeks picking on Sicily while already at war with the Trojans(re: the Peloponesian War) they picked a fight with folks who cleaned their clock in revenge. And, man oh man, did they get their clock cleaned. On the order of 9000(?) Athenians. About 100 times worse than the Pequots. Notably, they did not eat their captives as practiced by "indigenous" peoples of North America.
Here is a real history you may consider as an alternative to the oral history "taught" in public schools to our nations children. It is well rounded on BOTH sides and speaks of ALL atrocities. The author is a scholar.
The above link was not from something taught in school. I felt sick in my heart reading just a few paragraphs. I could not bear to read the rest. I am not familiar with all the history (or forgot most of it) you state above and I'm glad I didn't know it when raising my 4 daughters, or I might not have brought 4 children into this world. We must learn from history, or history will continue to repeat itself. Thanks for your comments pretty-red, old guy!
At some point we are all Natives, and colonist......Free and slave just depends on the time wave.
Jamestown and the Neighborhood was never the same
Damn Europeans came
If its all the same
Everybody comes from somewhere
Happy Thanksgiving and a solemn sweet celebration in conversations and prayer
Naomi sees life with the awe we ALL need to see:
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/thankful?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=676930&post_id=139106994&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=launy&utm_medium=email
Note her location!
I love Naomi Wolf! She also writes about the ugly side too. I have followed her for years! :)
And I pray the quarantine camps in NYC Monster Hochul wants to build, gets dismantled in the SupremeCourt! I have been following this. One of my daughters and her partner live in NYC and refuse to move from there. https://substack.com/@2ndsmartestguyintheworld/note/c-44189897?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=o7ys4
All the world’s future sailed on a single ship: Mayflower..
Imagine what world would now be, if, on that voyage, Mayflower had sank at sea? 🤔
I am pretty confused here.
Initially I inferred that you were hurtfully surprised by the message on the cake, but reading on I infer that a dinner of thanksgiving among Indians and colonists never happened.
Hmmm. This is false?
Not hurtfully surprised at all! I laughed!
I read that they celebrated massacring the Indigenous, not with the Indigenous, from Bioneers.com, where the Indigenous tell there side of the story. The story we have never been told, like with most of history. My daughters knew this before I did.
Everything we have been told is a lie. The Indigenous did not need to be tamed or massacred! They revered Mother Earth and held the wisdom of living in harmony with her. We have all but destroyed Mother Earth and we stole the land they lived on, later killed their babies and children.
Hmmm. Well Myriam, not sure you gleaned the same thing I did from this article at that website: https://bioneers.org/the-true-indigenous-history-of-thanksgiving-ztvz1911/
My inferred summary:
Yes, the Thanksgiving dinner happened with the Settlers supplying game birds and the Indians supplying venison. It WAS, in fact, WITH the Indians this event took place.
No, they did not celebrate massacring the Indians; that was in another event mentioned; not THIS one.
No, EVERYTHING we have been told is not a lie.
Abraham Lincoln instituted the first Thanksgiving Day after a woman named Sarah Hale lobbied him personally to do so as it would be a good nation building event but,
NO, it was not to celebrate deaths of Indians.
I have read a NUMBER of books, some first-person accounts from settlers terrorized by the Indigenous as the authors of this website like to call them. MANY settlers were dis-membered, raped, children dismembered and tortured over hundreds of years of interactions with these various tribes. There were very good reasons that history books refer to these Indigenous peoples as SAVAGES. These are simple, hard facts. I have also read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and understand the genocide that happened to the Indian tribes out west. That is also terrible.
I am sorry to say, your daughters were the ones lied to if what you write above is what they gleaned from their school teachers. The facts, in the article you yourself refer to, are not those you state.
Finally, we, the white race, Europeans, conquered this continent in the same way that ALL peoples from early Mesopotamia to Genghis Khan and the entire Islamic world have done for six millennia. War consists of battles, atrocities on both sides, and land acquisition by the dominator. That is a fact and has never changed; certainly not different for the conquest of North America.
Should the entire world go back in time and demand all these cultures hand back their lands, remunerate the original peoples?
Should the settlers have claimed the land as their own when the Indigenous were already inhabiting it and taking great care of the land? Should we just go around displacing people from where they live because we decide we are superior and are able to conquer others we consider inferior to us?
How would you feel if that were done to you? It might happen to all of us if the globalists aren't stopped. Look at what happened in Paradise, Ca. and Maui and what is happening in the Middle East.
The Spaniards did the same thing in Cuba, where I was born and my ancestry is Spanish. They were barbarians and killed off most of the indigenous tribes there to take their land. Conquering is SAVAGE and done to acquire more power and wealth. In other words, due to greed!
We do not need to go back but instead go forward with mindfulness and awareness that we have done great harm to many.
I am done with war and the patriarchy and their need to dominate and conquer. There are other ways to live than these.
I hear what you are saying Miriam and certainly, good people, think this way and act this way. The problem is there will always be bad people; they evolve into even worse than bad as they acquire more power and, finally, there appears no way to terminate this perpetual process. You can say you are done with "this" but . . . this process, this world is not . . . done. So, the question we, as apparently good people, are presented with is HOW shall we co-exist in a world where the bad folks want us dead? Are we to lay down and allow it? No, but, the whole cycle of death and domination will start and end again. THIS is the history of the world.
We can only pray and . . . believe.
Still, I regard the domination and land grab of the Western Hemisphere by Spain, Portugal, and England as nothing more than the outward explosion of populations from the inner core of creation as it pushed around the world. The fact that this area was the "last" to occur and that most available to OUR memories and knowledge is besides the fact that it has been happening for 6 to 10,000 years. The atrocities are the same list of those happening for millennia.
From many different sources I conclude that we are on this earth to suffer so we can FULLY appreciate the infinite love of God and the spirits(souls of humans) who have gone before us. I really believe in life after death. That it is one unencumbered by the body and its limitations -- physical, spiritual, and mental. I do not believe in "mother earth."
I conclude we are here to learn how to love one another and live in harmony, not kill one another. We have been given a paradise with everything we need in Mother Nature to live healthily, vibrantly, in abundance and in harmony with her, and we have all but destroyed her, our sacred home.
Well, my personal view is that this is certainly NOT nor ever was a "paradise" ever since Genesis. We will all find THAT on the other side. This IS still a beautiful world and there are still many untouched areas that remain pristine. Polluted as things have turned in some areas it is good for a human to go out into the more wild parts and experience it while not allowing the intellect to be suffocated by those negative nimrods of pollutionism. The Rocky mountains, the lakes of Northern Minnesota, New York, and Canada, the Caribbean-- too many to enumerate. Have you ever caught a wild salmon, held your breath and dove 20 ft down to a reef with urchins, octopus, reef fish, and sharks, tracked and hunted deer or elk? It will do many good for their soul to experience more primitive areas for days on end(camp in a tent) to prevent the overwhelming belief that this earth is "all but destroyed".
Living in an urban world can be oppressing.
My reason for living in the middle of an 80 acre forest on a river.
Peace and Love.
Here's another account of the massacre.
https://tlio.org.uk/1637-pequot-massacre-%E2%80%8Bthe-real-story-of-thanksgiving/
Yes, the Pequot massacre happened after they killed 9 colonists and took two girls hostage. Like the ancient Greeks picking on Sicily while already at war with the Trojans(re: the Peloponesian War) they picked a fight with folks who cleaned their clock in revenge. And, man oh man, did they get their clock cleaned. On the order of 9000(?) Athenians. About 100 times worse than the Pequots. Notably, they did not eat their captives as practiced by "indigenous" peoples of North America.
Here is a real history you may consider as an alternative to the oral history "taught" in public schools to our nations children. It is well rounded on BOTH sides and speaks of ALL atrocities. The author is a scholar.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13414830-the-barbarous-years
The above link was not from something taught in school. I felt sick in my heart reading just a few paragraphs. I could not bear to read the rest. I am not familiar with all the history (or forgot most of it) you state above and I'm glad I didn't know it when raising my 4 daughters, or I might not have brought 4 children into this world. We must learn from history, or history will continue to repeat itself. Thanks for your comments pretty-red, old guy!
" I felt sick in my heart reading just a few paragraphs . . . "
Yes. It is hard to read and balance one's emotions between disgust, anger, and hurt, and yet consider forgiveness(!) is required to heal the soul.
It is unfortunate but probably part of the plan that man has proven for many millennia his utter failure to "learn from history".
I hope your Thanksgiving was good for you and your family.
again, Peace and Love.